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SACHA PFEIFFER, HOST:
At President Trump's direction,
the Justice Department is asking a court
to release grand jury information
related to the convicted sex offender.
He was connected to many famous people
before his death in prison.
The Trump administration
once encouraged conspiracy theories
about an Epstein cover-up.
Now some of Trump's core supporters say
they're furious
that his administration says
it has no more relevant information.
Photos, video
and Trump's own statements show
he was friends with Epstein many years ago.
STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:
The president has tried to quiet the criticism
and even sued The Wall Street Journal
over a story last week.
The topic still dominated news shows
on Sunday.
Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar
was on CNN's "State Of The Union."
(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "STATE OF THE UNION")
AMY KLOBUCHAR: To me,
as a former prosecutor,
there are times
when you release things
for the good of the country.
This is one of those times.
And you don't go and say,
oh, we're just going to see
if a judge will let us do part of the evidence,
part of the files that are over here
in this grand jury proceeding
after dissing judges forever.
PFEIFFER: Republican Congressman Tim Burchett
of Tennessee
is among those demanding more information
about Epstein.
He was also on CNN,
and he praised the president
for a first step.
(SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "STATE OF THE UNION")
TIM BURCHETT: The American public's all pointing the finger,
trying to play politics with this thing,
and it's not accurate
. I applaud the president
for wanting to release those files.
I think it's a good start.
I think we - you know,
they keep saying he talked about it repeatedly
, and that's just not accurate.
INSKEEP: On Fox News Sunday
, former Epstein attorney Alan Dershowitz said
the grand jury transcripts alone
are unlikely to satisfy Trump's supporters.
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
ALAN DERSHOWITZ: Grand jury information
is narrowly tailored
by prosecutors
only to provide sufficient evidence
to result in an indictment.
PFEIFFER: The people closely following this
include Sarah Isgur.
She's a senior editor
with The Dispatch
and a former Justice Department spokesperson
in the first Trump administration.
Sarah, welcome back
to the program.
SARAH ISGUR: Thanks for having me.
PFEIFFER: Sarah, we've heard
from many corners
that even if the grand jury transcripts are released,
they may be unsatisfying.
The transcripts aren't meant
to be comprehensive
. How much do you think
it's likely that they could be revelatory
in a way that
satisfies either Trump's supporters
or opponents?
ISGUR: Well, I think
they're very unlikely to satisfy the people
who want some bombshell here, right?
I think if that existed,
we would've already heard about it
, potentially even leaks.
But I also think
it's very unlikely
that anyone's going to see those grand jury materials.
Criminal rule of procedure 6(e)
has that they are under seal.
Now, there are exceptions to that.
The Department of Justice has obviously asked
for them to be released.
However, the exceptions are all related
to official business,
not simply, boy,
it would be really nice
for some people
on the internet.
PFEIFFER: There's a former assistant U.S. attorney
in Manhattan
who has said that
by calling for the release of this testimony,
quote, "the president is trying to present himself
as if he's doing something here,
and it is really nothing."
Is it nothing
or is it something to ask
for transcripts to be released?
ISGUR: Well, in this case
, knowing how unlikely it is that
they will be released
, it's really a win-win for the administration.
They get to say they asked,
and then they get to blame someone else
when they're not released.
We've seen this over and over again,
frankly, from administrations
in both parties,
where they use the judiciary
as a foil to say,
ah, we really wanted to do this thing
through executive order
or, in this case,
grand jury transcripts,
but those pesky judges stop us.
Blame them.
PFEIFFER: There is a Republican representative
in Kentucky,
Thomas Massie.
He's pushing for a procedural tactic
called a discharge petition
to force a House vote
on releasing files related to Epstein
. What do you make of that tactic
and how effective it may be?
More files than the grand jury testimony.
ISGUR: It puts Republicans
in Congress
in a terrible position,
which Massie, of course,
and Republican leadership know.
Republicans in Congress,
again and again,
have borne the brunt of voters' disappointments
with Trump -
Trump Teflon Don.
But Republicans often get blamed
when Trump doesn't fulfill some promise.
So here, you're really dividing the Republican caucus
deciding whether they try to release something.
Is there anything there?
Trump doesn't want them to.
It's a tough spot.
And I think
you have the White House
making some behind-the-scenes calls as well.
PFEIFFER: This issue is making the rounds of cable TV.
A lot of right-wing influencers
have hopped on board
in a way
in which they're actually critical
of the president and for,
for many of them,
the first time
. I don't have a good gauge of
whether the public thinks
this is an important issue
in a way
that could turn President Trump's supporters
against him.
Do you have any gauge of that?
ISGUR: It's a good question
because this is where polling,
I think, can really let us down.
People will answer the poll,
but, like, how important is it to them?
Is this actually changing votes?
How many people is this a core issue for?
And I think the answer to that
is it - for very few people,
is it a core issue?
However, when you think about
the sort of moment that
the Biden administration couldn't recover from,
it was the withdrawal from Afghanistan
because a core part of Biden's message was competence.
Well, it all seemed incompetent.
Here, a core part of Trump's message is,
you know,
I do these things for my base
. I always come through.
Is this going to be the moment
where they say,
ah, you've betrayed us
on a core piece of
why you were elected?
PFEIFFER: So for Democrats
who hope this as an opportunity
to hurt Trump,
do you think it actually poses that potential?
ISGUR: Yes. And we certainly see Democrats
trying to do that
and making the most of it.
You know, it was Republicans,
you know,
trying to keep Epstein in the news
. Now it's Democrats doing so.
So they certainly see a political advantage here.
Whether it will be the thing,
unlikely. But whether it can be that first step
on the path, maybe.
PFEIFFER: That's Sarah Isgur.
She's a senior editor
with The Dispatch.
Thank you.
ISGUR: Thank you.